It is so sad to see people who are so blinded by their bias. You realize that no one was ever able to confirm that story of what you call a "nuke" in Alaska? You are willing to believe the fearmongering of Korean news outlets and Al Jazeera, but you don't trust US news?

Frankly... are you on crack? This is akin to 9/11 conspiracy theories. They can't keep people INSIDE the white house and the CIA quiet, and the can't keep the NYT from publishing stories, but they had a total press blackout on a story of a North Korean "nuke" hitting Alaska.

Iraq manufactured their own Sarin and Mustard gas, so the "made in the USA" stuff is a lie, too. We didn't face US hardware when we invaded in the gulf war, we faced Russian, French, and Chinese hardware. You know, those peace-loving countries that were still inking deals with someone like Hussein a month before we invaded the second time.

I guess it makes no difference that the US finally washed their hands of him once he got bad enough. It's much more morally correct to keep right on swapping spit with him. I'm sure we're all in on it, Deference. Be careful, we might inform on you. When the last person you know refuses to believe you, you'll know that you're the only one left...

I think you posted this on the wrong category. I'm sure you ment the humor section.

It is so sad to see people who are so blinded by their bias. - Bakerstreet

I'm guessing that's why you stay away from mirrors.

Good to have you aboard the S. S. Bad Ship Deference, it's been a while.

You realize that no one was ever able to confirm that story of what you call a "nuke" in Alaska?

As Doc pointed out, it was a missile - not a nuke that was reported.

I've given a source - the Korea Times. Keep in mind that is the South Korean Times which is obviously extremely concerned about their next door neighbor's armament. So much so that (as their story reveals) the South Korean National Assembly sent out an "oversea delegation to five countries [regarding] the North Korean nuclear crisis...and gave a report on [the] region's current showdown over nuclear weapons and missiles."

This led to former Japanese foreign minister Tara Nakayama to comment; ""the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska." He cited his source a United States document. Why would the Japanese be concerned about the U.S. getting burnt? Not only have they helped support our currency against inflation by buying our bonds but it also means North Korean missiles could reach Japan as well. So they've a highly vested interest in our well being.

"The South Korea legislators used the claim to note that Washington and Tokyo have "underrated Pyongyang's missile capabilities," according to the newspaper. "

Link

What's really classic is this bit concerning the document Nakayama-San referred to also contained within this article:

"Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Lehner, spokesman for the Missile Defense Agency, said the report probably referred to a three-stage missile tested by North Korea in 1998."

Wow. Even further back. Great.

The Drudge Report has listed this as a developing story. The stalwart Conservative website FreeRepublic also picked up the story. Independent media outlets all over the 'net are reporting the story. But I've not heard a whisper of it from any U.S. mainstream media.

You are willing to believe the fearmongering of Korean news outlets and Al Jazeera, but you don't trust US news?

S. Korea is an ally in the war in Iraq. They were a part of the 'coalition of the willing' deploying over 3,000 troops to Iraq in '03. Maybe you feel threatened by the freedom of their press and that is why you attack them?

Link

Al-Jazeera has been more critical of the U.S. in the volumes of information they have to give regarding things developing in their own backyard - I'm certain you wish they also would be silent so as not to disturb Americans with prima facie reporting.

One of the major points alluded to in my article was the lack of diversity of reporting within the U.S. media. It's not that I don't trust the American media, it's just that I find a more complete story sans spin and rhetoric by examining it from many angles.

I find the S. Korean assembly report and Japanese official's remarks to be particularly newsworthy and to have heard nothing from U.S. media is a red flag of failure to me -the consumer. I don't want to hear about the latest white female gone missing nor do I want to hear about Michael Jackson's latest nose job or Britney or Jolie's latest baby. Save that shit for Entertainment Tonight - get me some real fucking news.

Then we get the endless commentary - forget substance - we are granted a milquetoast token attack from Colmes to Hannity or Olberman's latest jab at O'Reilly - fuck that. I'm not rooting for a sports team, I want something substantive and in-depth. I want the truth.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! - Jack Nicholson

Out of the few hours a day I have for personal time, I can drain two hours of it simply filling in the gaps of a story headlined by Fox, the NYT, or whomever and then compare / contrast it to the fashion and substance found from foreign and independent media so that I can make a slightly informed decision about what is actually going on. I've found so many times that missing some of the more delicate angles of a story can cause an incorrect impression for the media consumer.

Don't you also support a more complete and thus accurate record of current events so Americans can make the best informed decisions possible?


Iraq manufactured their own Sarin and Mustard gas, so the "made in the USA" stuff is a lie, too. - Bakerstreet

Yeah, well, you didn't have much to say about that when Resident JU Blogger Sean Conners gave his testimony back in March 20th 2006.

Remember?

That was when Conners detailed his conversation with Marine Dustin Harmer. You commented once on that blog and gave not one word in contest to the assertations he served.

" One slight problem...they all had a stamp on them...each and every tube full of Ricin, Mustard Gas and all those nasty things everyone has been talkin bout for years now. The stamp was simple, but incriminating. They were all property of the USA."

Link Weapons of Mass Destruction Found in Iraq! Really! One slight problem tho'...

Link The comments (Yours included)

You also did not contest the Rummie / Hussein meetings wherein food, financial aide and, yes, WMD's where provided for Iraq to assist against Iran which Conners mentioned in the comments and I have linked to in the above article.

Are you now revoking that silence with some contradictory links?

No. You aren't.



P.S. Was that jab about crack your way of asking me if I could get some for you? 'Cause I've got this friend in Iraq with a mobile weapons lab and he can make you some sh*t that will get you sooo laid back...you know they really have them over there - true believer.

ooh.

The 'link' in the 21st line is this picture:

"As Doc pointed out, it was a missile - not a nuke that was reported."

Yeah, that's why I was concerned that you kept characterizing it as a nuke...

"Here's the skivvy on the N. Korean nuke that hit U.S. soil.

...

"I've given a source - the Korea Times. Keep in mind that is the South Korean Times which is obviously extremely concerned about their next door neighbor's armament. "

Again... pfft. Their "neighbor" can hit them with 50 year old lawn darts. The reason South Korea hypes North Korea's capabilities is that they are scared to death with our other military obligations that we are going to desert them. Japan is sick of them lobbing missiles over their country, so it's pretty obvious why both would latch onto whatever inflammatory, yet spurious, material they can get their hands on.

It is in their interest to keep the American public as frightened of North Korea as possible.

"Out of the few hours a day I have for personal time, I can drain two hours of it simply filling in the gaps of a story headlined by Fox, the NYT, or whomever and then compare / contrast it to the fashion and substance found from foreign and independent media so that I can make a slightly informed decision about what is actually going on. I've found so many times that missing some of the more delicate angles of a story can cause an incorrect impression for the media consumer.

Yep, and the fact that you'd admit that in public tells me you've lost the ability of self-reflection. You call that being discerning, when all it is is a bias against the American press, and the ability to blindly swallow inflammatory rhetoric from news services that are more willing to push this drek.

How utterly arrogant of you to think that I don't see this stuff. I see it, I weigh it, and I discard it with the rest of the junk. If you think GB wouldn't have LOVED a little extra oomph to his 'axis of evil' speech you're nuts. The idea he's let a 1998 North Korean missle attack on US soil slide by is deranged.

The idea that the government can completely black out the American media about a North Korean missile hitting US soil, and yet they can't silence them about ANYTHING ELSE is beyond deranged.

Re: S. Conn1, I didn't and don't believe it, frankly. All these tall tales rely on a big government conspiracy where people are told they can't say something, and only one brave soul ever does. This in a government where NOTHING is kept secret from the press.

You swallow one story from one guy, and you say I am not sceptical enough? Doesn't that seem the least bit twisted to you? After all you are the one swallowing anything you can get, no matter who says it, without anything extra to back it up.

Don't play it like I am gullible, you are the one who'll believe anything as long as it fits with your view of the world. I expect a little more than "I knew a guy who said", and that goes for spooky North Korean missiles hitting Alaska too.

Yeah, that's why I was concerned that you kept characterizing it as a nuke... - Bakerstreet

How so? But I'll concede the point if you wish as I don't want to quibble.

Again... pfft. Their "neighbor" can hit them with 50 year old lawn darts. - Bakerstreet

Agreed, yet one becomes alarmed when the neigbor next door has three-stage missiles and one is stuck with only lawn darts manning the DMZ line.

Yep, and the fact that you'd admit that in public tells me you've lost the ability of self-reflection. You call that being discerning, when all it is is a bias against the American press, and the ability to blindly swallow inflammatory rhetoric from news services that are more willing to push this drek.

How utterly arrogant of you to think that I don't see this stuff. I see it, I weigh it, [etcetera, etcetera, and so forth] - Bakerstreet

I'm amused, but your stab in the dark misses it's mark. Bakerstreet, ask yourself, WWSACDD?

Look, I gave you links. You didn't read.

We'll go Paul Harvey Sr. - style and I'll drive you to a "true quality hardware store" where you can buy yourself a shovel to dig yourself a hole instead of using your hands and wearing out your nails.

Why would President Bush not take advantage of a 1998 launching of a missile over Japan (and if you don't believe it ask Japan, or maybe Nakayama-San himself)
to bolster his axis of evil rhetoric?

As reported (in that little link I provided for you in line 41 of the article), the Clinton administration was complicit in the 1994 Agreed Framework Deal granting North Korea "the capacity to generate enough nuclear fuel to produce almost 100 nuclear bombs per year." Thus allowing the North Koreans their launch test in 1998.

“Through the provision of two light water reactors [LWRs] under the 1994 Agreed Framework, the United States, through KEDO, will provide North Korea with the capacity to produce annually enough fissile material for nearly 100 nuclear bombs, should the Democratic People's Republic of Korea [DPRK] decide to violate the Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT].” - House North Korea Advisory Group

It gets better, and closer to the heart of fuck-ups you most possibly hold much more dear.

In April 2002 the Bush administration announced that it would release $95 million of American taxpayer’s dollars (my money your money, singrdave's money, draginol's money, moderateman's money, ALL JU monies and millions more) to begin construction of the ‘harmless’ light water reactors. Bush argued that arming the megalomaniac dictator Kim Jong-Il with the potential to produce a hundred nukes a year was, “vital to the national security interests of the United States.” Bush released even more money in January 2003, as reported by Bloomberg News.

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Well holy shit! Looks like the United States of America is complicit in arming North Korea and has assisted in their means of developing WMD's. At least we didn't just give them to the 'nemy' like we did before in Iraq.

But it gets even BETTER.

Guess who cameos?

Fucking, Goddamn, Donald Rumsfield - once a fucking 'gin. Twenty years later, the old codger is still dealing arms, germinating global conflicts, and profiting the whole time.

SOO-PRISE! SOO-PRISE!

"It should not surprise us that our old friend Donald Rumsfeld, the man who paved the way for U.S. companies to sell Iraq chemical and biological weapons in 1983, was an executive director for ABB [THE UNITED STATES COMPANY THAT SOLD THE REACTORS TO NORTH KOREA] from 2000-2001. Rumsfeld resigned when he was appointed U.S. Secretary of Defense. Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB confirmed that Rumsfeld was at nearly all the board meetings during his involvement with the company. The meetings were held quarterly in Zurich, Switzerland. However, Rumsfeld again displays his uncanny ability to forget things in stating that he ‘doesn’t remember’ the issue of North Korea being brought before the ABB board."

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=1648385

Now, see, Bakerstreet, if you did some research beyond Faux News and the rest of the mainstream American Media bullshit you wouldn't feel like such a fucking ignoramous dumbshit. Do you understand now?

Do you understand the need for diversity and competition among the media networks and understand the value of a highly competitive media market that should not be run by a mere five companies controlling over 90% of the U.S. media serving us ommissive news?

But I'm straying from course - in 2003, when the North Korean missile possibly hit the United States off the coast of Alaska, President Bush, his cabinent, and all other interested parties realized one thing:

How could the Bush administration sell a war against a country (Iraq) with no means to defend itself and as it later transpired with no weapons of mass destruction ( not true - right Rummy?), when a country with WMD was firing long-range nuclear capable missiles that were hitting the western coast of the US?

regards,

Deference






...oh, sorry, here's your ass...

*Deference hands Bakerstreet his ass.*

You left it on the side of the information superhighway. Sorry bro. .

You know it's funny, I just visited Greywar the other day and he seemed surprised to see my ass!



All in good fun, tomorrow is another day.

It really boggles the mind. What really bugs me is how you take totally deranged sentences and spit them as if people can't possible refute them. Do you REALLY think I haven't see this junk before. Do you REALLY think that I have somehow avoided seeing Alex Jones, of "9/11 was a big government conspiracy" fame has hawking this stuff forever? When I have his crap thrown in my face by kooks like you almost weekly?

You aren't handing me my ass, bud. You are openly admitting that you have swallowed the most wacko conspiracy theorist stuff hook, line, and sinker, and then you say I am not sceptical enough. That's the whole "info wars" schtick. You swallow the most fringe paranoia you can find without any need for reliable evidence, because anyone "reliable" is in on it.

Hell, the fact that no one reliable believes it PROVES that it must be true. Welcome to flying saucer land, deference, welcome to Roswell. Guess what, I'm in on it too. That's why I am running blocker for your big "truth" fest here. If anyone wants to question how much I read and how wide I spread my net for information, that's great. I can say one thing, though, you'll NEVER catch me being brainwashed by infowars.com, thank God.

Those Kumho power plants that you cite in Bush's speech, and the ones built by the company Rumsfeld used to be with, aren't even due to come online until 2007 or so, so I kind of doubt they used them to make bombs. North Korea has its own uranium mines, and its nuclear program goes back to the 1980's.

You realize that you are proposing that every world nuclear agency, every mainstream news organization on almost every continent, etc., etc., are in on some big global conspiracy, and only folks like you and Alex Jones have the stones to say anything about this. How, totally, completely deranged. The fact that you could think all the NYT CIA leaks, all the bad press, etc., is just windowdressing.

They actually let people like you drive heavy machinery... it boggles the mind.

Once again, Bakerstreet, you've failed to do any homework, and / or provide any evidence or relevant counterpoint.

Don't rush your response(s). They just hurt your posit without legs (or ass).

On a final note, I've extreme respect for you, but you backed the wrong horse and, of course, were ill-informed.

And here's your ass. I found it near the porno sites on the Information Superhighway.

*Bakerstreet sighs*

*Takes own ass in hand*

*Applies to hindquarters*

*And walks in to the sunset*

See you tomorrow bro. .

Def looks quizzically concerned at fellow JU denizen's backside, with ass ready to fall off.

I'll see you then.

Go JU!

*Def Raises fist in air Black Panther-style*

Evidence? How can I provide evidence to prove a negative? It's akin to asking me to prove that God doesn't exist. Go ahead and prove Santa Clause doesn't exist; since everyont believes he doesn't, it must be a big lie purpetrated by the media and their government cohorts.

You ask me to disprove something you can't prove; i.e. a "nuke" as you call it that hit Alaska. The fact that you can't pose any evidence of its existence pretty much negates that necessity. A single unsubstantiated report does not a missile make, unless you are a Roswell-style nutjob. Present real proof, and I'll be happy to change my mind. Oh, you can't though, because if the mainstream media admitted to it, that would mean it DIDN'T exist...

What else, oh, Rumsfeld's arming Korea with nukes? Because of what I stated above. North Korea mines their own uranium. They've had a nuclear program since the 1980s's. They announced their first nuclear bomb in 2003, only two years after Bush took office, less than a year after Bush announced the 95 million, and 4 years before the light water plants you mention will even be finished. If you are posing the idea that non-existant nuclear plants can make nuclear bombs in less than a year, well, heck, I wouldn't be surprised.

All the italics and emotes and "funny" stuff doesn't prove anything. You want to assume things with no proof are true, and then demand that people prove YOU wrong. There is substantially more proof of bigfoot than there is of your Alaska nuke, and I don't believe in bigfoot either. Show me real proof of either, and I will change my mind.

You ask me to disprove something you can't prove; i.e. a "nuke" as you call it that hit Alaska - Bakerstreet

Doc Guy corrected you.

Then I corrected you and deferred to the report that it was a missile - not a nuke.

This issue is finished until you come up with some fact, Bakerstreet. And you'll probably have to wait for the next Whitehouse spokesman to provide you with some official statement to lead you - but the fact is, they are probably counting on you being so fucking incompetent not to research what they say and do, so you are stuck with dick......or loss of ass.

Either way. Give it up till tomorrow, Bakerstreet.

And you know what they say, tomorrow never comes.

Lol. So, you want me to go back in time, and take a picture of the spot where the missile ISN'T? Like your paranoid, conspiracy theorist ilk, you demand that I prove the NONexistance of shadowy conspiracies that you haven't proved in the first place.

I did give you facts. There's no possible way that money Bush proposed sendeing to the Koreans in 2002 caused them to have a working nuclear bomb a year later. I presented you with the fact that they have their own uranium mines, and that they have had a nuclear program for decades.

I presented you with the fact that THE REACTORS YOU CITE WON'T EVEN BE ON LINE UNTIL 2007. Feel free to keep being a paranoid nutjob, but don't pretend you present "facts" by linking to Alex Jones' conspiracy cess pool.

P.S. Re: the "nuke" issue, so long as your blog says:

"Here's the skivvy on the N. Korean nuke that hit U.S. soil."

I'll keep right on pointing out the farce of the statement. I never once, a single time claimed it was a "nuke". I have no reason to believe there was a missile at all. You are the one in the article above calling it a "nuke" so the correction is aimed at you.

Seeing as how I've many times regarded the 'nuke' as a 'missile' you'll have to forgive my slip.

Hey, how's old Rumsfield these days?

And did you ever get around to answering my question about the news sources you frequent?

No?

Oh.

Didn't want to inconvenience you.

Shucks, that wasn't your ace in the hole was it?

HEY GUY'S DEF FUCKED UP. HE SAID NUKE WHEN HE SAID MISSILE FIVE THOUSAND TIMES AND CALLED BAKERSTREET ON IT TWICE.

Thank you, please drive thru.

Wait.

No..

I need your business on this blog Bakerstreet.

My JU points have increased by 253 since we first started 'debating' - please continue.

Seriously, you're starting to embarress me man. Please. Stop.

Have you been drinking?

Tell me the truth.

Or don't.

..and give me a link.

He's not afraid, because he knows that it is all a big conspiracy and that there really isn't any threat from North Korea. Why? Because they get together at their big trilateral commission meeting and decide what North Korea is going to do.

It isn't what he believes that annoys me as much as why he believes it. If the mainstream media takes a stand, and one fringe, loony outlet posts an unsubstantiated claim to the contrary, the loons MUST be right, because the MSM is working for their evil corporate overlords. Imagine having to live with that kind of perspective on the world, and what you'd end up believing.

In the name of scepticism, you've totally discarded the need for any proof before you swallow wierd conspiracy theories. You've basically said, "if everyone believes it, I wont" so the most reliable information is immediately discarded. Then you say "Whoever poses alternate information, however unsubstantiated, I'll believe that, since the opposite of the MSM's lies must be the truth".

Talk about a bleak way to live.